And it more or less coped with delivering those 1-2 million in a few hours without major drama. ), * Paris + Petite Couronne are 762km^2 with a population density of 8.8k/km^2, * The 23 Wards of Tokyo are 619km^2 with a population density of 15.1k/km^2, * le-de-France is 12,012km^2 with a population density of 1.0k/km^2, * Itto Sanken is 13,500km^2 with a population density of 2.6k/km^2, * Kanto + Shizuoka (wide enough to cover pretty much every Tokyo commuter including distant Shinkansen suburbs, though is dominated by wilderness and includes many towns that dont have commute links with Tokyo at all) is 40,200km^2 with a population density of 1.1k/km^2. I think its also right thing to talk about the sum of the three: The crime rate of immigrants in those countries is lower than the non-immigrant communities. Any maintenance on these escalators requires wearing haz-mat suits. Ridership on those marginal branch lines was cratering before. Plus, there are airport surcharges. BUT, this is expensive. Terribly sorry. However, the large fare reductions to qualifying low-income riders are: a number of cities have used the same definition, namely Medicaid eligibility, and give steep discounts for bikeshare systems. I wonder how this came to be? In todays Guardian. Yeah, but dont confuse yourself or others. They This really an area where the West should take lessons from Asia (though far integration, which is lacking in some Asian countries should of course still be encouraged). Compared to other major European countries, commuting costs take up a considerably larger amount of workers pay (Table 1). You dont need to convince me that British fares are out of control. Finally, monthly passes are regressive for people with very low incomes, and uncertain cash flows, as they may simply not be able to make bulk purchases. Thisll be relatively broad because Im in a hotel bar in Berlin, not at home with all my notes, but generally the London experience is that fare evasion can be divided into two categories: So you need to LOOK like youre going after the habituals. As someone unfamiliar with any type of legal proceedings they made sure I was updated through every step of the process and, ultimately, helped me to achieve a satisfactory conclusion. I dont know if the employer paid for the rest (or whatever the discounted price was). I am sure you are aware that there is a large perception bias about such things due to bias in reporting by media etc. They claim such abuse could be costing the government hundreds of million in long term. (England) Hi, I got a fare evasion summoning me to court, and Id like to know if theres a possible out of court settlement option from tfl as Im not trying to stain my record. BVG doesnt break even on fares, but thats because of buses, not the U-Bahn. Except of course it only delays the inevitable building of proper transit, which delay causes an entirely different level of cost escalation, not to mention opportunity cost. Of course fare gates need manning so outside of the busiest stations fare gating is often a peak time only operation. Partly for simplicity but also for social-justice: zoning can make it very expensive the further out you live and yet these are the very people the city most wants to give up their car habits! though my excuse was I was working out in the suburbs; at the end of my first year the M7 extension reached Villejujif, and simultaneously my old car was vandalised and also gave up the ghost) and helps the economics of those tens of thousands of modest restos etc. However, this really isnt about revenue or enforcement approaches or fare levels. In Paris, various classes of low-income riders, such as the unemployed, benefit from a solidarity fare discount of 50-75%. If you really think there is something really worth subsidizing in very frequent transit use, then you can make higher-order trips cheaper at various thresholds. This system has been copied to American light rail networks, but implementation on buses and subways lags (except on San Francisco buses). If the goal is to get people to stop driving to work, then making driving more expensive and housing cheaper, and promoting denser inner suburbs, seems like the much better choice, as politically difficult as that is. The bottom line of the Pew study is that commuters who are able to use the Key pay one of the lowest per-trip costs among major transit agencies, while those who cant are forced to pay one of the highest fares a particularly egregious example of what many economists call the poor tax. Most people dont get on and off along the way. We are far behind some of the leading nations in terms of our approach to publicly available transportation. Whats really at play is a class war issue. Pendeltg is the proper S-Bahn / RER after all and that started in 1968. Most people will pay, one way regardless. There are at least a couple in SF (24th and 16th and Mission) that do this. But speaking of this year begins the process of contracting out some RER lines to private management, seemingly driven by right-winger Valerie Pecresse. (I did turnstile-jump in Paris once, with a valid transfer ticket that the turnstile rejected, I think because Pariss turnstile and magnetic ticket technology is antediluvian.) It is entirely because the government refused to adequately fund public transport. Ill try and post some of the tweets John Bull made about fare evasion when talking to Second Avenue Subways. As you wrote, passengers should be able to get on and off trains quickly, with minimum friction. Excellent services. FA November 2020, Wonderful experience. The reason is that Americans practically never look at other countries on hot-button culture war issues, even less than (say) the lip service the center-left pays to foreign universal health care systems. Learn how your comment data is processed. Fare gates on very crowded systems (such as Londons) also act as crowd control at Stations that are getting overcrowded due to disruption. With regard to other countries in the Anglosphere, I think Singapore and London actually do have monthlies: Singapore has the Adult Monthly Travel Card allowing unlimited use of bus and train services for a month islandwide, for $120. Though, dare I say, and FWIW, it also perfectly correlates with the Anglosphere The JR companies failures with conventional rail outside the megacities are a point of continuity with JNR not a departure. I wasimmediately madeto feel at ease at our first meeting and they always provided very clear instructions and advice throughout our email communications. However Sydney had a horrendously complex British style system, and worse buses and ferries were different (and it was intended to integrate everything), and eventually they couldnt do it under the contract constraints (it was part of the reason they went bust). In Florida, transit fare evasion occurs when there is unlawful refusal to pay the appropriate fare for transportation upon a mass transit vehicle. Boston, too, has its moral panic about fare evasion, in the form of campaigns like the Keolis Ring of Steel on commuter rail or Fare is Fair. Most if not all Parisians love the Metro and consider it theirs. Very clearly, a growing activist community wants to eliminate these standards, favoring total decriminalization not just of fare evasion, but of unlicensed vending, panhandling on trains, public urination, pot smoking, radio playing, etc. TFL Fare Evasion Fare evasion rate on Hong Kongs open, non-gated, LRT system in year 2002-2005 was said to be only 0.4%, but there doesnt seems to be any more updated data. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/LegalAdviceUK. Thats why there is lot talk of new ticketing options (3 or 4 day a week passes) but the future is some form of fare capping in cities at least. Like the time an older African-American woman got pissed off about younger African-American woman having a White boyfriend and decide to take it out on me, subjecting me to big rant on why African-American women can only really be sexually pleased by African-American men while hitting me with a plastic bottle. I would wholly recommend BSB Solicitors for anyone looking for help with fare evasion cases. And the chances of being killed by police will be even lower. Having a pricing structure of a very high marginal price for trip 0-25, followed by a 0 cost for trip 25-999 is just bad design. I have seen a claim of Ile de France urbanised zone as 3,640/km2. Fare is split between the different agencies. That doesnt make any sense. Or/and they think pay as you go is so hot, and so new. If the breakeven point is in the high 30s, then this is much simpler even commuters get monthlies and therefore can ride off-peak for free. It is not like we are arguing about some fantasy scenarios, I am just saying that the West could adopt systems more similar to the East (where it evidently works very well). Settling case out of court (fare evasion) | RailUK Forums. There are various statistical ways of determining how much each agency should receive of that monthly pass. I see this as just an additional argument for lower fares off-peak. He was very honest and though the odds may have been against us, he was able to come up with a good plan of action. We are seeing more an more examples of clients being New York does poorly on the metric of encouraging monthlies. No doubt designed and enforced by genuine elites who never intend to use the Underground themselves, except for an annual photo-op. Fare evasion is punished in court by a fine of up to 1,000. Does anyone higher up the food chain than a churro vendor gets tackled to the ground by police over this? I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. More analytical modelling and engineering and efficiency thinking is exactly what is needed to get the US out of their transit misery, and make it more like East Asia. All sorts use the Paris Metro and even with its monthly card, is more expensive than either of those cities. I cant find the article, but there is some evidence that enforcement is largely unimportant. In any case, it should be clear that both Paris and Tokyo could be much more compact than they currently are. Since racial identification is supposed to not occur in official stats. michaelrjames , youre rather confused. Per Cuomos office, fare evasion costs $240 million a year on the subway and buses, about 5% of total revenue. The public transport system provides a certain level of constant service and a monthly pass is a right to use this service. As I have said many times on this blog, I am a big believer in single-zone fares, even for, or especially for, mega-cities. We will send you a Single Justice Procedure Notice or a Postal Requisition. The cost burden of commuting is unevenly and unethically distributed amongst the beneficiaries of this utility. The main way to encourage compliance is really to make it easier to follow the law than to break it. Its response last week to the cancellation of so many Southern trains was to issue a new timetable, removing one in six of its trains. Another data shows, as of 2017-2018, among people using elderly traveler subsidy across all the public transit system in Hong Kong, only 0.11%, or 144 people, are actually abusing it. I concur, and Ive used London, NYC, HK, Tokyo, Shanghai, Moscow, Beijing amongst mega-city metro systems. That maybe the US its not in the UK. On Monday, Democratic legislators pitched a new system decriminalizing fare evasion on public transit statewide, making the offense a petty misdemeanor, similar to a London has a card like HKs but no one would call it a travel bargain being at minimum twice as expensive as Paris. The Anglosphere does a shockingly poor job on this. Passport-size photos, applications, visiting the ticket office. As an operator you want monthly passes because people who have a pass are more likely to use your system in off hours when it is cheapest for you to provide service. OUTRAGED. The most important maxim when addressing a low-level crime is to make it easy to follow the law. Affordable transit, along with affordable housing, is just one thing in not only creating an equitable society, but as economists now realise (doh!) They are hostile to passengers with disabilities, they cost money to maintain, they constrain passenger flow at busy times, and they dont really save money evidently, New Yorks subway fare evasion rate is within the range of Berlin, Munich, and Zurich. Whilst I thoroughly enjoyed my travels in both countries, I was astounded by the cost of regional trains and bus and tube transport in the UK. The local newspaper reports how other commuters have missed work so often, theyve lost their job; how students have missed exams or holidaymakers havent made flights. In the vast majority of cities, no excuse exists to have any kind of overt fare control. That is illogical. The lack of S-bahn style operation patterns in the non-megacity regions is a failure of government and private-sector since no-ones pushing it. Their policy may be concrete before electronics/operations, but much of the city isnt even close to any concrete. What happens if I just ignore the Notice? A different argument against monthly passes is that be encouraging heavy rather than occasional (mixed with biking and walking) use of transit, it encourages large geographical sprawl. And that should coincide with a transition of everything to a paid model, with app-based day/weekly passes. Again, pure nonsense. Japans railway privatization and broken up was also said as for the purpose of crushing railway union.